Tuesday evening explore sea kayak, starting 23 May

Hello paddlers! We're looking forward to seeing explore course participants and helping you develop your skills. Coaches aim to be at the club from 6pm to help you choose a boat etc. We aim for everyone to be on the water by 6:30. Try not to be late, but you can post here to let us know about delays, absences etc. Come dressed to get wet from week one.

Let's go paddling!😀

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  • Great week one! It's good to hear some of you will be out paddling at the weekend on club trips. That's what it's all about. Take some pics for the club Facebook page! But, if you're not ready for sea trips yet, don't worry. You soon will be. Whether in canal or sea, keep remembering and practicing those efficiency techniques.

    Next week is wobbly week for my group.... edging and support strokes. (Martin has a slightly different schedule, but we'll cover the same underlying syllabus). Let's hope this glorious weather holds and the water stays warm!
    🌊🌞🙃
  • I am so sorry I will miss this week and maybe next. Completely rubbish childcare issues sorry. I am trying to get it sorted for next week.

  • Ok Shelley, thanks for letting us know. If you can manage to come early another time, or if you're out paddling another on Friday or whenever, let me know, and I'll see if we can do a catch up....I know you've got some input from Jane this coming weekend, but happy to go over edging and support strokes for you if feasible, as that's what we're doing, and they under pin so much. Child care comes first, of course, but I don't want you missing out!
  • OK slightly better news this week I have got my sister to childmind but she can't get to mine until 18:15 so I won't get to the club until 18:30. I am coming though! Please start with out me but let me know where you are going and I'll catch you up.

  • and yes learnt loads this weekend. Lots of edging but didn't get on to support strokes

  • Great. We'll get out a MV for you. What other club stuff do you need? We will go down the canal to start with, and you can catch us up. This week we will be using the edging to make strokes efficient. We'll start with stuff I know you've already covered. Most people also need to learn/practice deep water rescues using the standard club approach, so when they are doing that we can go over low recoveries.
    PS, I'm anticipating everyone will get wet this week, including me. Wobbly week morphs into tippy Tuesday... But those who develop a good low recovery may get to keep their hair dry!
  • Thanks for yesterday evening everyone. I've been thinking more about that 'which way up to empty the boat' question. Since both paddlers who raised it might be away next week, here is a good place to extend the answer.
    Main answer remains the same... Obviously you need to do something you can make work.
    But:
    Smaller paddlers may find it hard to 'break the seal' on an upsidedown boat, as Jane said when she joined us.
    People fall in in rough water or on eddy lines, where it is easy to get separated from your boat, especially if wind and tide are opposing. It's easier to hold on to a righted boat. And it's easier for another paddler to get a tow on a drifting boat and bring it back if it's righted. Righting the boat involves the paddler, breaking down that victim/rescuer narrative. Also, if someone goes in in a gully where there's swell, you'll want them out before the next big set. You may need to use a toggle tow that gets them and the boat back into more manageable water fast. For that, you need the boat righted. Or you may just choose to get someone back in quickly and empty out later. For all those reasons, it's probably best to get the swimmer to turn over their boat. And if they've done that it's usually going to be easiest just to pull it up for emptying that way up.
    Next week, more on towing, including contact tows, more on tippy stuff, and therefore quite possibly more on rescuing...or assisting a re-entry as we should think of it!
  • Thanks Maggie really like the discusion as it means I am thinking about why we do things a certain way which will mean I understand it better and can answer questions when I teach it!

  • Sorry to pitch in as not paddled on a Tuesday evening but an experience that I had a lot of years ago may be useful. I learnt to empty the boat and get somebody back into it as you will not doubt be learning. Did 4 star training and felt very confident. Then we had a challenging trip around Berry Head which went wrong and I learnt a lot that day. Too much for here. BUT, there really wasn't any point in trying to empty a kayak in rough water as it was going to be filled again as the swimmer got back in the boat - I wasted time trying. The key was to get them back in the boat and start to paddle for a safer place to sort out the problem. Paddling a swamped sea kayak is a different experience, and might be worth trying.

  • Well worth practising with water in the boat... I think the next course up does that. And as Nigel says, often the key is speed....which comes with familiarity. That's why we're asking all you 'explorers' to keep doing it. Being happy falling out and climbing back in is empowering. But it definitely doesn't mean you'll be expected to paddle in conditions that are well out of your comfort zone. Also, whoever is leading the (club) trip should have the experience to deal with much more than they are actually expecting, so even if it gets a bit wetter than planned, stuff gets sorted out.
  • Sorry - I didn't mean to suggest not to keep emptying the kayak before getting in - I have been rescued at Teignmouth between waves due to well practiced routine

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  • I do have a knack for finding contentious issues! Any how I won't be there Tuesday but will be there the next week.

    Also, I am enjoying Explore course (thanks Maggie!) and realise there is a lot to learn!

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    Thanks for letting me know, Shelley.
  • Such an interesting discussion and it hasn’t put me off at all. Really keen to know what coaches suggest and all have so much experience to share. I know that when I capsized on a recent sea trip the rescuer was very proficient, other support leaders gathered any equipment so the rescuer could concentrate on me and get me back in the boat. I recall that I was not asked to right the boat and the rescuer did that aspect while I held onto their boat. I then did have to pump some water out once I was back in. All I can say is that when the swell was bigger than expected the team were excellent. Obviously had great training😉
  • Hi Maggie, just wanted to let you know that I’m ill today, so won’t attend this evening’s session. Sorry for the short notice. See you next week.
  • Thanks Ceri. I hope you feel better soon.

    For everyone else: This week we are doing more manoeuvring, including contact tows, and possibly tow lines. There will be more practice on brace strokes and rescues, and we will extend some of the skills covered last week.

    There will also be a chat, at the beginning, with the other group, to cover some of the things that are best said on land.

    Next week is likely to be more of a journey, for those that want it, jointly with Martin's group, and possibly at two speeds. But it will also be a chance to raise questions and catch up on anything missed. We will still start at the club.

    Ceri, we can cover the 'chat' stuff on the water next week.
  • Liz Harrison won't be able to make nit this week.
  • Thanks Mike
  • Hi Maggie - Very sorry but I will have to send my apologies this week due to being unwell. Really sad to be missing the last session too but thank you again for all your instruction over the course. I have learnt so much. Had a lovely paddle to Topsham on Saturday with Jane and group, practicing all your top tips. See you around the club no doubt.
  • Thanks Liz, hope you're tip top again soon. You didn't miss new content, and the rest just comes with some hours on the water, so it's good to hear you were out on Saturday! Hope to see you soon.
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